vrtenje v krogu strahu

[ljuba]

Evo mene malo ...
Zdi se mi,da sem se vsakic umirila in so fizicni znaki izginili, ko sem dala skoz eno preiskavo, ki je pokazala,da je vse OK. Tokrat sem se zgelda malo umirila, ker je ko sem vzela lexaurin moja tresavica ponehala. In sem glede tega simptoma boljse. Ampak dalec od OK.
Ful poskusam s pozitivnimi mislimi in zavestnim ogibanjem gelde negativnega razmisljanja, ki povecujejo strah.
Sploh ne zberem energije,da grem k zdravnici po napotnico... Tok sem sita tega Pred avgustom sem bila ene 4x pri zdravnici v 10 letih, zdaj pa sem nadoknadil za vse skoraj..

Sprasujem se ali je sploh mozno,da ob naslednjih bolecinah ne bom takoj pomislila, da je kaj zelo narobe z mano, rak... Kaksne terapije se ponavadi upoabljajo? Ali je mozno spremenit tak mind set?
lep vecer zelim vsem!!

[cincila]

Ojla Ljuba,

jaz sem danes od neuropsihiatra. Ej, ma res ne grem več! Halo?! Pridem in mi spet reče kaj hočem  . Potem mu povem, da sem bolje in me skor nadere, da zakaj sem potem sploh prišla, če sem bolje  . Grrrrrrrrrrr...
Sploh ni pogledal v moj karton od prejšnjič, tako da sem mu povedala vse še 1x in moj strah pred tem, da imam MS. No, nekako me je pomiril vsaj s tem, da je rekel, da to po njegovem sigurno ni MS...
In ponovno mi je predpisal Lexaurin- ki mi ga je že prejšnjič, a seveda ni pogledal v karton  . Sem bla kar tiho o tem...
Sem ga pa vprašala ali simptome lahko pridelamo sami, in je rekel, da ja- psiha je očitno sposobna vsega.
Drugače sem ok, včeraj mi je ena roka trzala samo pred spanjem in to je to. Če primerjam od prej... ko sem imela non-stop trzanje v vseh možnih mišicah, sem sedaj res ok.
Tako da Ljuba, simptome si očitno res lahko pridelaš in bolj kot misliš na to, slabše je...

Aja, pa rekel mi je, naj si najdem stvar, ki me veseli... in naj to počnem.

Lp

[ljuba]

Cicila, joooj ampak odnosi nekaterih v zdravstvu so pa res pod kritiko.. Ker ne prides tja, ker si srecen in vesel, ampak imas problem in rabis temu primerno obravnavo. Tu je moja osebna zdravnica super  Ko sem hodila k njej z novimi simptomi, me je tako razumevajoce gledala in rekla, no pa pojdi se na to preiskavo (kar je pac naneslo) ker meni itak ne bos verjela,da si OK. Se moras sama prepricat in kokr je bilo naporno pol, mi je zdaj super, da sem dala vse skoz.
Ceprav moja zmedena glava seveda v crnih trenutkih kar dvomi v te preiskave, kaj pa ce so kaj spregledali, kaj pa ce..  Smotka sem..

Sem ogromno prebrala o MS in meni se tudi ne slisi, da bi imela MS. In drzim pesti,da imamo vsi ostali prav 

Mene preganja ta moj kolk, ki mi vsak tok mal zaboli (max 1x na dan) pa spet neki cudni obcutku vv zgornjem delu trebuha  in spet moja kancerofobija  Ampak se poskusam in ornk delam na tem,da si zavestno recem STOP, OK sem, nic hudega ni narobe z mano  in poskusam verjet v to..

In ja, psiha dela cudeze, v negativo in pozitivo. Sem prebrala nekje tole: Pa psiha lahko iz raja naredi pekel in pekel iz raja. Pri nas smo struckoti za drugi del na zalost ..

Kaj pa tocno je neuropsihiater?  A imas ti kaksne pogovore ali si del kaksne vedenjske terapije?

Jaz bi rada sama pri sebi spremenila nacin razmisljanja - un primer, ko dobis telegram, kaj pomislis. Jaz bi itak na nehi najhusega.. No tko je z vsemi stvrmi pri meni, zmeraj pomislim na najhuse .. in je tok naporno... Kaksen nasvet, kaj je komu pomagalo pri premiku iz negativnega v pozitivno razmisljanje?

[cincila]

Isto pri meni, najprej pomislim na najslabše  . Ko gre kdo mojih bližjih kam z avtom, s tako boljim, da me morajo nujno poklicati na cilju. Drugače se kar tresem od strahu ali je bilo vse ok. Da ne omenjam, če gre kdo z letalom...
Po drugi strani grem pa jaz povsod, sem strastna popotnica, bila že v nešteto nevarnostih, pa mi je ravno. Skrbi me in imam res panični strah za moje bližnje. To že od otroštva dalje. Vsak dan jih klicarim, in me je vedno strah, če kdo takoj ne dvigne slušalke   .
Glede bolečin pa... ma mene skoz nekaj nekje boli. Prejšnji teden me je eno mečo tako zabadalo, da sem skoraj klecnila. Bolelo, bolelo in čez 2 dni nič več. Kdaj pa kdaj se že zbudim z bolečimi  rokami, podplati... skoraj vsak dan mi med spanjem zaspi kaka roka..., ker spim grozno, to je čista napetost v meni. Pa križ me boli...

[ljuba]

Mod iskanjem kaksne anravne pomoci sem nasla tudi Bachove esence in sem se zdajle nate spomnila 
Ena izmed njih ima ucinek:

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[analiza]

Ljuba, kako odmisliti bolezen, meni pomaga, da ne berem nobenih zdravstvenih stvari na netu ali v časopisih, pa da preslišim,če se domači pogovarjajo o boleznih. Skoraj vsak dan grem na sprehod za pol urce, sama ali z  možem, pa začela sem jemati AD. No, ti še seveda niso prijeli, vendar upam na najboljše. Jemljem komaj 1/4 tablete na dan. Mislim,da mi je ena od članic foruma v odgovoru napisala, da če bom seveda vztrajna, dovolj naredila zase, ozdravljena nekje v 2 letih. Torej je še dolga pot.
Tudi mene vedno nekaj boli, točno določena točka na hrbtenici, pa roke, pa noge, v glavnem vsepovsod.  Takrat ko boli, ponovno zapadem v strah, kaj mi je. Tako kot Cincili, mi ponoči zaspi roka, ali zamravljnči prste in vem,da dokler ne bom opravila EMG rok,bom skoz razmišljala,da mi nekateri živci v rokah ne delajo. Nevem no, upam,da je res psiha in da bodo AD pomagali.

Cincila, Lexaurin je AD ali kot npr. Helex? Pa ti pomaga? Važno ,da si psihiatru  potarnala glede strahov o MS in da te je pomiril.

[bikica66]

Samo v vednost Lexaurin,helex,loram,apaurin,.... to so vsi anksiolitiki - pomirjevala in se jih jemlje samo občasno po potrebi,ker če jih stalno jemljemo postanemo odvisni 
Zoloft,asentra,cipralex,..........,ta zdravila pa so antidepresivi in jih moramo jemati dalj časa,da sploh primejo 

lp

[ljuba]

Hvala bikica
Okoli mene vsi ful strasijo glede pomirjval,da tega a ja ne.. Enako za AD, no rahlo manj. a razni komentarji sem milsila,da si bolj ozitvna oseba ali a bolj mocna  > evo take dobim servirane. ://

[cincila]

Lexaurin je pomirjevalo. Mislim pa, da mi je itak dal napačno zdravilo in se ga bom izogibala še naprej. AD-ji so pa ok, ne postaneš odvisen, lahko ozdraviš na dolgi rok. Jaz jih ne jemljem samo iz razloga, ker hočem zanositi, drugače bi jih sigurno vsaj 1,5 leta.
Sem pa prebrala na Anxiety Centre Canada, da traja ozdravljene vsaj 7x toliko kot je trajal stres- se pravi jaz bom ozdravljena nekje pri 50-ih  .

Hvala za rdeči kostanj, se bom pozanimala. Samo, da je naravno  .

Analiza, a veš koliko ljudem zaspijo roke ponoči- nešteto. Tega mene ni strah, saj mi podnevi nič ne zaspi, zato valda ne more biti nič narobe z živci. Ponoči je pa to pogost pojav, ker tako trapasto zvito spimo  . Tega se ti res ni treba bati, to je normalno.

LP

[cincila]

Še to, kopiram vse simptome anksioznosti, ki sem jih dobila na Anxiety centre Canada, sedaj se lahko vsaka najde notri  :

Common anxiety symptoms include:
Body (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with the body in general):
Allergy problems, increase in allergies (number, sensitivity, reactions, lengthier reactions)
Back pain, stiffness, tension, pressure, soreness, spasms, immobility in the back or back muscles
Blanching (looking pale, loss of color in the face or skin)
Blushing, turning red, flushed face, flushed skin, blushing, red face or skin
Body aches, parts of or your entire body feels sore and achy, feels like your body and muscles are bruised
Body jolts, body zaps, electric jolt feeling in body, intense body tremor or “body shake”
Body temperature increase or decrease, change in body temperature
Burning skin, itchy, “crawly,” prickly or other skin sensations, skin sensitivity, numbness on the skin
Burning skin sensation on the face, neck, ears, scalp, or shoulders
Buzzing sensation in the feet, toes, hands, fingers, arms, legs
Chest pain, chest tightness
Choking
Chronic Fatigue, exhaustion, super tired, worn out
Clumsiness, feeling clumsy, co-ordination problems with the limbs or body
Cold chills, feeling cold
Craving sugar, sweets, chocolate, usual craving for sugar and sweets
Difficulty speaking, moving mouth, talking, co-ordination problems with the mouth or tongue
Dizziness, feeling lightheaded
Dizzy, feeling dizzy
Electric shock feeling, body zaps
Excess of energy, you feel you can’t relax
Falling sensation, feel like your are falling or dropping even though you aren't
Feel like you are going to pass out or faint
Feeling cold or chilled
Feel wrong, different, foreign, odd, or strange
Flu-like symptoms, general malaise, feel ill, like you are coming down with a flu
Flushed face, red face, flushed skin
Frequent urination
Head Zaps
Heart palpitations, racing heart
Hyperactivity, excess energy, nervous energy
Increased or decreased sex drive
Infection - increased infections, persistent infection
Mouth or throat clicking or grating sound/noise when you move your mouth or jaw, such as when talking
Muscles that vibrate, jitter, tremor, or shake when used
Muscle twitching
Nausea
Nausea vomiting

Neck, back, shoulder pain, tightness/stiffness
Night sweats, waking up in a sweat, profusely sweating at night
No energy, feeling lethargic, tired
Numbness
Numbness tingling, numbness and tingling
Numbness and tingling, and other skin sensations on hands, feet, face, head, or any other places on the body
Persistent muscle tension, stiffness
Pounding heart, heart feels like it is beating too hard
Pulsing or throbbing muscles. Pulsing or throbbing sensation.
Rib or rib cage tightness, pressure, or feeling like a tight band around the rib cage
Sexual Dysfunction, sexual uninterest
Shooting pains, stabbing pains, and odd pressures in the neck, head, or face
Shooting pains in the face
Shooting pains in the scalp or head
Skipped heart beats
Sore or tight scalp or back of the neck
Startle easily
Sweating, uncontrollable profuse sweating
The floor feels like it is moving either down or up for no reason
Tightness in the ribs or rib cage area, may also feel like a tight band around the ribs or rib cage area.
Tingling sensations, anywhere on the body, including the hands, feet, legs, arms, head, mouth, chest, groin area
Throat or mouth clicking or grating sound/noise when you move your mouth or jaw, such as when talking
TMJ
Trembling, shaking, tremors
Twitching
Unsteadiness, dizziness, feeling dizzy or lightheaded
Urgency to urinate, frequent urination, sudden urge to go to the washroom (similar to urinary tract or prostate infection symptoms)
Warm spells
Weak - feel weak, weakness, low energy, light, soft, like you may faint
Weak legs, arms, or muscles
Weight loss, weight gain
Chest (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with the chest area):
Chest tremors, trembling in the chest, chest feels like it is vibrating
Chest pain or discomfort
Concern about the heart
Feel like you have to force yourself to breath
Find it hard to breath, feeling smothered, shortness of breath
Frequent yawning to try and catch your breath
Heart Palpitations – beating hard or too fast, rapid heartbeat
Heart - Irregular heart rhythms, flutters or ‘skipped’ beats, tickle in the chest that makes you cough
Pounding heart, heart feels like it is beating too hard
Rib or rib cage tightness, pressure, or feeling like a tight band around the rib cage
Emotions (see mood) (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with emotions, mood, and feelings)
Fears (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with fear):
A heightened fear of what people think of you
Afraid of being trapped in a place with no exits
Constant feeling of being overwhelmed.
Fear of being in public
Fear of dying
Fear of losing control
Fear of impending doom
Fear of making mistakes or making a fool of yourself to others
Fear of passing out
Fear that you are losing your mind
Fears about irrational things, objects, circumstances, or situations
Fears of going crazy, of dying, of impending doom, of normal things, unusual feelings and emotions, unusually frightening thoughts or feelings
Heightened self awareness, or self-consciousness
Need to find nearest washrooms before you can feel comfortable
Need to seat near exits
Head (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with the head):
Brain fog
Burning, itchy, tight scalp
Dizziness
Dizzy
Dizziness or light-headedness
Frequent headaches, migraine headaches
Feeling like there is a tight band around your head, pressure, tightness
Head, neck or shoulder pain, tightness/stiffness
Head zaps, head tremors
Giddiness
Numbness
Numbness tingling, numbness and tingling
Shooting pains, stabbing pains, and odd pressures in the neck, head, or face
Shooting pains in the face
Shooting pains in the scalp or head
When you close your eyes you feel like are beginning to, or will, float upwards
Sore jaw that feels like a tooth ache
TMJ (Temporo-Mandibular Joint) - clenching of the jaw or grinding of the teeth
Hearing/Ear(s) (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with hearing):
Feel like there is something stuck in your ear, that your ear canal it plugged or blocked, that there is a pebble in your ear that you can't get out
Low rumbling sounds
Reduced hearing, frequent or intermittent reduced hearing or deafness in one or both ears
Ringing in the ears, noises in the ears, noises in the head
Pulsing in the ears, throbbing sound in the ear(s)
Tickle or itch in your ear that you can't seem to get at
Mind (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with the mind and thinking):
Afraid of everything
Altered state of reality, consciousness, or universe feeling
Brain Fog
Deja Vu, a feeling like you've done or experienced something before
Depersonalization
Derealization
Desensitization
Difficulty concentrating, short-term memory loss
Difficulty thinking, speaking, forming thoughts, following conversations
Disorientation
Fear of going crazy
Fear of losing control
Fear of impending doom
Feelings of unreality
Frequent feeling of being overwhelmed, or that there is just too much to handle or do
Having difficulty concentrating
Nightmares, bad dreams
Obsession about sensations or getting better
Repetitive thinking or incessant ‘mind chatter’
Short-term learning impairment, have a hard time learning new information
Short-term memory impairment, can't remember what I did a few days, hours, or moments ago
Spaced out feelings, feeling spaced out
"Stuck" thoughts; thoughts, mental images, concepts, songs, or melodies that "stick" in your mind and replay over and over again.
Trapped in your mind feeling
Underlying anxiety, apprehension, or fear
You often feel you are carrying the world on your shoulders
Mood / Emotions (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with mood, emotions, and feelings):
Always feeling angry and lack of patience
Depersonalization
Depression
Dramatic mood swings (emotional flipping)
Emotionally blunted, flat, or numb
Emotional "flipping" (dramatic mood swings)
Emotions feel wrong
Everything is scary, frightening
Feeling down in the dumps
Feeling like things are unreal or dreamlike
Frequently being on edge or 'grouchy'
Feel like crying for no apparent reason
Have no feelings about things you used to
Not feeling like yourself, detached from loved ones, emotionally numb
Underlying anxiety, apprehension, or fear
You feel like you are under pressure all the time
Mouth/Stomach (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with the mouth and stomach):
A ‘tinny’, ‘metallic’ or ‘ammonia’, or unusual smell or taste
Aerophagia (swallowing too much air, stomach distention, belching)
Burning mouth, feeling like the inside of your mouth is burning, or tingling, or like pins and needles, or all of these together or at different times
Burning tongue, feeling like your tongue is burning, or tingling, or like pins and needles, or all of these, or all of these together or at different times
Choking
Constant craving for sugar or sweets
Constipation
Diarrhea
Difficulty swallowing
Difficulty talking, pronouncing certain letters or sounds, mouth feels like it isn't moving right, slurred speech
Dry mouth
Feeling like you can’t swallow properly or that something will get caught in your throat
Feeling like your tongue is swollen
IBS
Lack of appetite or taste
Lump in the throat, tight throat, something stuck in your throat
Mouth muscles twitching/jumping
Mouth or throat clicking or grating sound/noise when you move your mouth or jaw, such as when talking
Nausea
Nausea vomiting
Nausea or abdominal stress
Numbness
Numbness tingling, numbness and tingling
Stomach upset, gas, belching, bloating
Teeth grinding
The thought of eating makes you nauseous
Tight throat, lump in throat
Throat or mouth clicking or grating sound/noise when you move your mouth or jaw, such as when talking
TMJ
Tongue symptoms - Tingly, “stretched,” numb, frozen, itchy, “crawly,” burning, twitching, “jumpy,” aching, sore, or swollen tongue (when it isn’t).
Urgency to urinate, frequent urination, sudden urge to go to the washroom
Vomiting
Skin (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with the skin):
Burning skin sensations, skin sensitivity
Numbness
Numbness tingling, numbness and tingling
Skin problems, infections, rashes
Sleep (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with sleep):
Difficulty falling or staying asleep
Frequent bad, bizarre, or crazy dreams
Hearing sounds in your head that jolt you awake
Insomnia, or waking up ill in the middle of the night
Jolting awake
Waking up in a panic attack
You feel worse in the mornings
Sight (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with sight):
Distorted, foggy, or blurred vision
Dry, watery or itchy eyes
Eye tricks, seeing things our of the corner of your eye that isn’t there, stars, flashes
Eyes sensitive to light
Spots in the vision
Flashing lights when eyes are closed
Your depth perception feels wrong
Touch (anxiety symptoms commonly associated with touch):
Burning skin sensations, skin sensitivity
Feeling cold or chilled
Numbness
Numbness tingling, numbness and tingling
Pain
Tingling, pins and needles feelings
Other anxiety symptoms are described as:
Being like a hypochondriac, muscle twinges, worry all the time, tingles, gagging, tightness in the chest, tongue twitches, shaky, breath lump, heart beat problems, head tingles, itchy tingling in arms and legs, and so many more.

In addition to these anxiety symptoms, you may also find yourself worrying compulsively about:
• Having a heart attack
• Having a serious undetected illness
• Dying prematurely
• Going insane or losing your mind
• Suddenly snapping
• Losing it
• Uncontrollably harming yourself or someone you love
• Losing control of your thoughts and actions
• Being embarrassed or making a fool out of yourself
• Losing control
• Fainting in public
• Not breathing properly
• Losing control of reality
• Choking or suffocating
• Being alone

NOTE: Each anxiety

[ljuba]

Aja glede unega kostanja  poglej od bachove esence ... nocem delat kaksne reklame z linki, sama se razmisljam,a si kupim ali ne.

[jerry2]

Zdravnica me je tokrat poslala ma MRI glave, ki je pokazal neke spremembe, ki bi lahko tudi nakazovale na multiplo sklerozo, ampak nevrologinja pravi,da meni,da ni to to,da so take spremembe prisotne tudi ljudeh z migrenami, ki jih sama tudi imam in da so moje vrtoglavice vegetativnega izvora kot reacija prilagoditve na stres.. Seveda sem med cakanjem na MRI in rezultate prebrala vse zivo na internetu in

To pa zelo poznam, greš na preiskavo, ki naj bi ali kaj našla, ali ovrgla, pa so vedno neke spremembe, ki lahko kaj so ali pa ne. Potem pa stric Google "pomaga", kaj vse so lahko te spremembe... Jaz še zdaj čakam izvide od revmatologa, ker imam sum na neke revmatične spremembe v hrbtenici... Pa čakam, pa čakam, pa čakam, na koncu pa ne bo nič (upam).

Tvoji simptomi se mi pa sicer res zdijo psihične narave 

Res, ker se ti nekaj dozdeva, pa VSE lahko, to je bistvo. Jaz pa ne morem več teči, ker komaj hodim, ker me noge bolijo, prsti na roki me bolijo da komaj pomivam posodo, kaj da bi kaj težkega dvigoval s to roko itd. Tremor ponoči je tak da se ga vidi in čuti, ker se mi roka trese, ni zgolj interni.

Pa drugi pravijo, da še z menoj ni fizično nič narobe... Verjemi torej, da s teboj tudi ni.

[Nef]

Hej Ljuba?? Kak si kaj??

Zdaj sem prebrala tvojo težavo in jaz imam vse kot ti.. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. grozno..
Jaz sem imela malo drugačne preiskave.. ORL, dermatolog, ščitnica, ginekolog.. kri sem dala.. vse mi je znano..
Pa tudi se vedno bojim za družino, posebej za hčerko.  Ko sem bila mlajša vedno sem mislila da se bo kaj zgodilo moji mami.. ampak ni
Zdaj sem malo bolje.

[ljuba]

Nef zivjo,
evo guram dalje, in se borim z negativnimi mislimi... Vcasih bolj uspesno vcasih manj..
Trenutno sem kar kul, kot sem na eni drugi temi pisala sem za svoje fizicne simptome (vrtoglavica, notranji tremor, obcutek sibkosti) obiskala bioterapevta in vse je zginilo. Tko da upam,da traja in sama delam na tem, da se kuliram in sproscam, da pripomorem. Za psihicni del pa bo tetka psihoterapija pomagala - da razclenim od kje meni vsa ta negativa, zakaj in poskusam spreminjat miselne vzorce. al to je pa dolga pot kot berem 

Ker ni fizicne simptomatike, se tudi psihicno ful bolje pocutim    No ni vrtoglavic in notranjega tremorja, ampak vseeno seciram vsako novo bolecino  no sploh ne rabi bit bolecina, ampak pac neki, kar zacutim.. Poskusam ne , ampak ne gre cist. Se pa kar drzim stran od strica Googla.

[Nef]

Bioterapevta? Mi pojasniš malo.. prosim.

[ljuba]

Bioterapevta? Mi pojasniš malo.. prosim.

Kaj te zanima? Gre za terapijo z bioenergijo po metodi Z. Domancica, traja 4 dni zapovrstjo, skupina 8-10ih, dela vsakega posebej, glede na njegov problem. Jaz sem bila ornk skepticna, se zdaj sem, ampak izboljsanje pri meni je veliko. Nisem cist OK, se vedno me ob kaksni situaciji, ki jo dojemam kot stresno prime kak moj simptom, ampak velikoo manj kot prej. Ne vem , kok casa bo drzalo, trkam pa..

[analiza]

Ljuba, kje pa dobim informacije o tej terapiji? Kakšna internet stran?

[ljuba]

Poslala na ZS.. Da ne delam reklame,ker to ni moj namen.